tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2705777238092169832.post1947933757862263614..comments2024-03-09T03:22:48.296-08:00Comments on Everything About Braces: Placement of Brace ButtonsBack to Braceshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08240649681320273191noreply@blogger.comBlogger55125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2705777238092169832.post-10505109018013270212022-03-20T23:54:39.187-07:002022-03-20T23:54:39.187-07:00We had our mother who was in charge of the local S...We had our mother who was in charge of the local Salvation Army Store in our region !Where people came and depositid all of their clothing thet could'nt put on anymore!Not only was there a lot but the clothing was very various too !They were stacked in prevision of the annual jumble fair,that was held on the big city market fair!But my mother having theese items made me wear quite a lot of them on me!and I had no say so for me I to put on very short trousers,with leather end braces,nylon buttoned overalls ,caps and berets too,So did my sister too she wore grey or navy blue pleathed school skirts with buttoned straps,white blouses,with ties and a beret aswell and as our mother liked to see us dressed up in that manner,that was the way it was !Our mother too took and wore girdles with suspenders,nylon buttoned overalls and a beret on her head aswell,so all three of us we dressed up the same way,and this continued until me and my sister reached about 17 and even 18 years old!and attending school then college ,my sister di'nt have too much problems if she wanted to go to the toilettes,but I did,with all that I had on me ,braces,nylon overalls;a belt ,+ a beret too I did'nt even dare going to the toilettes,or if I could'nt do otherwise ,I had to go and se my sister to undo all of my underware!.There was also a nice collection of canes to cane us with and that too me and my sister received oftenly hard strokes from our mother,,a matter of fact when this happened it could happen anyware,in the house,in the garden or even in the street ,plus our mother always when canning our buttocks me and my sister in the end you'll see that this is for your good that I'm giving you the cane ,and that was exactly the way it was with our mother in those days ,wich by the way was the norm in those decades!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2705777238092169832.post-51438716447978080982021-12-10T23:20:03.511-08:002021-12-10T23:20:03.511-08:00Us too ,especialy with our mother ,she always want...Us too ,especialy with our mother ,she always wanted to see me and my sister wear button on suspenders ,with the buttons sewed on the outside of our pants or jeans + both of us had our heads always cut very short to!This started when we were very young and continued until we went to university ,that is 21 years of age! We were quite lucky because we done all of our schooling always together too!Our mother liked us to wear those leather end suspenders ,because she liked to see both of us wearing them ,and also that our hair was shaved with the electric head shaver too regularly every 2 weeks+the majority at that time was at 21 years old so even if we had not agreed it was the law,bur honestly me or even my sister we did'nt mind!In the beginginning We both wore textile short pants wich included the suspenders up till we were about 8 years old ,Then from 8 years old until 16 we wore large clip on suspenders with those large metal clips!then upwards until we were 21 we wore button on leather suspenders with those leather ends ,and especialy me when it was hot in the summer I even wore my suspenders directly upon my skin wich I liked too ,and that some girls came behind me and held me by the back of my suspenders pulling me around and telling me how cute I looked !Wich I did'nt mind But sometimes my sister would intervine and say stop pulling on his pant suspenders ,otherwise they will get to loose and the buttons will come off and she even got angry,!But honestly everywhere we went we both liked allways wearing out large pant suspenders!As for our heads that were regulary cut very short with the electric shaver we both had quite a succes too !Especialy my sister ,because the other boys told her how good she looked with her haircutand her button on leather pant suspenders!So ther you are Bu if you ask me why i did like wearing suspenders ,well I felt that i was much more secure wearing them,and especialy that from 16 years ld up to 21 years ols as our pant suspenders were ccompletly in leather and rather thick I did like the fell of the leather especialy upon my skin,although,inwinter both me and my sister liked to put our large leather pant suspenders over our puulovers wich had a great succes to so what can I add more,It's true that some people don't like wearing suspenders but a lot do !Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2705777238092169832.post-327868923360000102019-12-29T08:01:33.520-08:002019-12-29T08:01:33.520-08:00My advice is to learn to sew on the buttons yourse...My advice is to learn to sew on the buttons yourself, so that you don't have to wait for your wife. It's pretty simple to do.<br />Sue Haneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12738135617953640119noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2705777238092169832.post-33758330422076621072018-05-19T17:24:08.896-07:002018-05-19T17:24:08.896-07:00thank you, you saved methank you, you saved meCara membuat pupuk kandang fermentasihttps://bit.ly/2v7BXYZnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2705777238092169832.post-26617745690904080522017-02-21T08:55:32.191-08:002017-02-21T08:55:32.191-08:00@looksattheflowers Glad you enjoy the blog!
Thank...@looksattheflowers Glad you enjoy the blog! <br />Thanks for the suggestion of Mr Sweeney's shop. The braces and suspenders look like quality workmanship.<br /><br />Let me know how your husband enjoys wearing button braces after your alterations.Back to Braceshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08240649681320273191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2705777238092169832.post-10532669053686979562017-02-20T03:12:33.434-08:002017-02-20T03:12:33.434-08:00This is such an interesting blog - thank you very ...This is such an interesting blog - thank you very much. I am just adapting my husband's trousers by adding buttons and removing belt loops (so that he can wear a waistcoat for our daughter's wedding) and have bought the braces from here -<br />http://www.aidansweeney.co.uk/categories/3-braces<br />I can thoroughly recommend Mr Sweeney's shop - he couldn't have been more helpful and the braces are great.looksattheflowershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14482437479381362435noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2705777238092169832.post-20786946951239211962016-07-26T15:34:59.785-07:002016-07-26T15:34:59.785-07:00@JackCarter: I agree that historically people have...@JackCarter: I agree that historically people have referred to braces/suspenders differently, depending on whether you are using British English (braces) or American English (suspenders). However, there's a further differentiation between button-on tabs and alligator clips. If you mention 'suspenders' to anyone in North America, they think of cheap quality elastic bands worn for comical appeal or with a rented tux. <br /><br />I'd encourage you to read earlier posts where I define 'braces' to mean those with button-on tabs, and 'suspenders' for alligator clips. This is part of the global, language shift in the definition of suspenders and braces. These terms are losing their geographical-language origin, and being defined as the connection type - braces with button-on tabs and suspenders with alligator clip connections.<br /><br />Therefore, braces are perfectly acceptable whether you are talking about trousers or pants.Back to Braceshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08240649681320273191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2705777238092169832.post-58792322944453156052016-07-10T07:18:38.583-07:002016-07-10T07:18:38.583-07:00Why are you using the British term 'Braces'...Why are you using the British term 'Braces' with the term 'Pants'?<br /><br />One or the other ...<br /><br />(a) Braces and trousers .... or .... (b) Suspenders and pants. <br /><br />Just in case ...<br /><br />Not Trousers and suspenders.<br /><br />Not pants and Braces.<br /><br />I know Canadians will use a mix of American terms and British terms, but mixing them in the same sentence? C'mon, where is the style in that when wearing braces attached to buttons correctly placed on trousers?<br /><br />JackCarterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09452869192298663560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2705777238092169832.post-4268668418865599952016-01-16T03:41:36.143-08:002016-01-16T03:41:36.143-08:00Let me say this great advice, I am known as "...Let me say this great advice, I am known as "uncle grand dad" at work, due to my suspender wearing, I will, as a result cease the belt wearing, and start the quest to find pants that will honour the suspenders with buttons.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18337920041764436364noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2705777238092169832.post-32979295895080481192016-01-08T07:26:56.637-08:002016-01-08T07:26:56.637-08:00@Artful Codger: If you've done sewing before, ...@Artful Codger: If you've done sewing before, it's not difficult to remove the belt loops. You could use a razor blade or a sewing picking needle. Be careful not to cut off too much or penetrate the pant material. <br />Removing the belt loops gives a cleaner look. Good luck!Back to Braceshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08240649681320273191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2705777238092169832.post-58952518724715037192016-01-07T18:59:58.254-08:002016-01-07T18:59:58.254-08:00I do my own sewing. I've never taken the belt...I do my own sewing. I've never taken the belt loops off; is it difficult? Can't you just take a safety razor blade and carefully cut the thread attaching the loops to the trousers? Artful Codgerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10771157557974365642noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2705777238092169832.post-32890775342995606592015-08-31T12:48:32.776-07:002015-08-31T12:48:32.776-07:00@Anonymous: thanks for checking back and providing...@Anonymous: thanks for checking back and providing an update!<br />The pair of clip-on suspenders you described are wide, and would go better with work wear than a casual / weekend outfit, but to each his own. Enjoy wearing what is comfortable to you.Back to Braceshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08240649681320273191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2705777238092169832.post-1788590161403956232015-08-25T11:39:36.460-07:002015-08-25T11:39:36.460-07:00Hi there,
I was one of the earlier posters on this...Hi there,<br />I was one of the earlier posters on this site, where I was singing praises of button braces but recently got a pair of clip ons from E bay Y back design for my work trousers and they are supremely comfortable. They are 40 mm wide and I am considering using them as casual / weekend wear even though they are work wear.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2705777238092169832.post-81479449375611089962015-04-15T06:07:36.662-07:002015-04-15T06:07:36.662-07:00"... as they do around a ladies' (sic) b..."... as they do around a ladies' (sic) breasts. .. "<br /><br />Just saying that I suspect that many, if not most, clothing pedants are also grammar pedants ;-) [sorry]Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2705777238092169832.post-61342905532998166872014-08-26T05:47:57.833-07:002014-08-26T05:47:57.833-07:00Thank you for your comments. The position of the m...Thank you for your comments. The position of the most forward front brace button will fall over the trouser crease or over the front pleat (both occupy the same position) because when trouser patterns are constructed the front crease or pleat is positioned at one sixth of the scale (drafting scale=one sixth of half the seat measure). Were button placement for the second button and the distance between the back buttons in concerned, I work on the older style braces where the span between the brace eyelets is approx 8cm. I don't like the small gapped brace eyelets. By the way, I want some new braces and cannot find a shop/store that sells them. All I can find in that dreadful clip on things that don't last. Brace buttons are four holed 2cm diameter buttons and I can't find any of these either. I have run out of my stock of brace and other buttons since leaving the bespoke tailoring trade.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2705777238092169832.post-49347630742405522462014-08-25T08:56:57.359-07:002014-08-25T08:56:57.359-07:00@Anonymous: thank you for your comments. I agree t...@Anonymous: thank you for your comments. I agree that braces are healthy for the body and don't restrict the blood supply around the waist.<br /><br />I disagree with you on the placement of the brace buttons. To keep the crease and line of the pants, the inner front button should be directly over top of this crease. This button supports the crease and maintains the crisp line throughout the day. Otherwise, the front waistband of the pants sags. The outer button can be placed anywhere from 6-9cm away from the inner button, depending on the width of the brace tabs and the size of the waist band - larger brace tabs and larger individuals should be farther apart, whereas smaller tabs and smaller individuals should place the buttons closer together. In the rear, the placement depends on whether Y-back or X-back braces are to be worn. X-back braces allow the buttons to be placed farther apart - up to 7-9 cm on each side of the back seam. Y-back braces should place the buttons closer to the back seam - around 3-5 cm on each side. Braces are to support the pants. Aligning the buttons with the line of the pants is the best way to achieve this.Back to Braceshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08240649681320273191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2705777238092169832.post-3549008587240768352014-08-25T06:22:23.377-07:002014-08-25T06:22:23.377-07:00Braces are the healthiest way to keep your trouser...Braces are the healthiest way to keep your trousers up. Wearing a belt to keep up trousers means you could be restricting the blood suppy through your abdomen (abdominal Aorta) which can have very serious consequences. The first brace button from the front of the trousers should be one sixth of half the seat measure-sounds complicated, but it simple and accurate. The next button should be 8cm from the first. The same arrangement at the other side of the trouser. At the back of the trousers, the buttons are placed 4cm either side of the seat seam.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2705777238092169832.post-14689128759836175782014-04-25T15:21:11.520-07:002014-04-25T15:21:11.520-07:00Hi Peter: Glad to hear you are loving braces, and ...Hi Peter: Glad to hear you are loving braces, and showing them off when you go ballroom dancing. That's a great place to show your style. And don't be shy of your age - everyone should be wearing braces, from young toddlers to the elderly.<br /><br />For your question on button placement, the straps depend on your body type. There is a fine balance, as I tried to highlight in this post. Under the "Button placement and clip placement on the front" header, there are 2 pictures of both extremes: too close to the middle and too far to the sides. Both are incorrect and appear uncomfortable. Here's some pointers to remember:<br />- First and most important, the front buttons should be attached at the main pleat/crease of the pants (if there flat-front pants with no pleat the button should be positioned where the main pleat ordinarily is). This is not an arbitrarily point, but critical for making a clean line of the trousers and supporting them.<br />- The brace loops should support as much of the front of the pants as possible, both the main pleat (its primarily purpose) and the side of the pants. If you have large loops (like pictured above), you can afford to have them spaced further apart. Generally I've found a good distance to be 3-4 inches apart from the main pleat.<br />- if your braces tend to slip off your shoulder, consider raising <a href="http://everythingaboutbraces.blogspot.ca/2011/04/position-of-back-junction.html" rel="nofollow">the back junction in the rear</a>. The higher the junction the less the straps will slip off. I realize that when you ballroom dancing you are likely moving, twisting and turning, which may be partially to blame for the straps slipping off. But try raising the back junction to see if that helps.<br />If you have a non-adjustable back junction, ask your tailor to sew in rear-tabs for your braces. This effectively raises the back junction so the straps don't slip off. <a href="http://everythingaboutbraces.blogspot.ca/2013/09/problems-wearing-braces-or-suspenders.html" rel="nofollow">Here's a picture of rear-tabs on this post.</a><br /><br />I'm interested to hear your comments and insights about wearing braces and dancing. I'm writing a post on this and would like to hear what you've discovered!Back to Braceshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08240649681320273191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2705777238092169832.post-48056030709897239032014-04-25T14:40:49.021-07:002014-04-25T14:40:49.021-07:00Hi Raven: Good question. I'm not aware of any ...Hi Raven: Good question. I'm not aware of any patterns for making all leather braces. I did come across some photos that may be of help: <a href="http://tangotori.tumblr.com/image/34965458969" rel="nofollow">the back junction</a> and <a href="http://www.pinterest.com/pin/491103534338583488/" rel="nofollow">o-rink back junction</a>. Hope this helps.<br /><br />In the meantime, enjoy wearing your trousers with the elastic braces!Back to Braceshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08240649681320273191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2705777238092169832.post-40929779063082366932014-04-24T19:44:06.345-07:002014-04-24T19:44:06.345-07:00Hi! I'm 35 and have developed a love of braces...Hi! I'm 35 and have developed a love of braces which I wear for Ballroom Dancing. With regard to front button placement, I find that if the buttons are too far to the side, the braces come over the shoulders but then spread out either side of the chest, as they do around a ladies' breasts. Whilst that's a necessity for the ladies, when men have that look it's comparable to an Egg wearing braces. It looks silly, as though his chest is "bursting" through the braces.<br /><br />Should braces for men come over the shoulders and then straight down the front to the buttons? Nice, straight lines.Peter Knoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2705777238092169832.post-85313186612220672002014-04-16T04:30:37.710-07:002014-04-16T04:30:37.710-07:00Hi there. I'm a leather worker and just got my...Hi there. I'm a leather worker and just got my first pair of trousers made for braces - Y back with buttons in the right places. I managed to find a pair of Y back button braces at a charity shop but they are mostly elastic. Do you have any tips or patterns on how to make a good leather pair?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14798264151146877486noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2705777238092169832.post-35451464136716773412013-10-22T08:38:18.621-07:002013-10-22T08:38:18.621-07:00Good questions - thanks for asking.
While this m...Good questions - thanks for asking. <br /><br />While this may seem like a minor point, it's not. It is important to understand why belt loops and suspender buttons conflict. Pants are designed differently for those worn with a belt than those worn with braces. Pants worn with a belt sit on the hips and are rest lower on the body (what's called a "low rise" - the distance from the crotch to the top of the pants). Pants to be worn with braces sit at the waist (at or above the navel). These pants have a higher rise. In addition, pants worn with braces are looser at the waist to allow the braces to suspend the pants. Whereas pants worn with a belt are clinched at the waist and generally tight-fitting. <br /><br />Because of these differences in the design of pants, its almost impossible to switch from wearing a belt to braces (or vice versa) without looking silly. Low rise pants with braces looks terrible. I applaud you for wanting to sew suspender buttons onto your pants, but the first question is to ensure you have the right style of pants for braces. Once you confirm you have the design, the pants may have belt loops as most retailers today think people wear belts, not braces. This was not always the case. <br /><br />To answer your questions, once you have the correct design of pants for braces you can sew buttons either on the outside or inside. If the buttons go on the outside, the belt loops may interfere with the placement of the buttons, and generally looks conflicting. It is frowned upon but not forbidden. I would recommend sewing them on the inside of the pants. If one goes through the effort to sew on suspender buttons, why not spend the extra time or money to remove the belt loops? It will improve the overall look of the outfit.<br /><br />As for the color of buttons, it is recommended, but not essential, to have a color similar to the pants color. This allows the buttons on the outside to blend in to the pants. However, if you are wishing to highlight the buttons, go with the different color.<br /><br />Ultimately the placement and color, and numerous other considerations to wearing braces, comes down to your personal style and taste. Be content and show your personality!Back to Braceshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08240649681320273191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2705777238092169832.post-90673699493166346032013-10-21T05:05:30.597-07:002013-10-21T05:05:30.597-07:00Belt loops, not lipids. Sorry for that typo.Belt loops, not lipids. Sorry for that typo.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2705777238092169832.post-31709586971152607702013-10-21T05:03:56.088-07:002013-10-21T05:03:56.088-07:00I have 2 questions. 1 - If I leave the belt lipi...I have 2 questions. 1 - If I leave the belt lipids on, can I still put the buttons on the outside? And 2 - If I have them on the outside, can the buttons be lighter than the pants? My pants are black and the buttons that came with my suspenders are beige.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2705777238092169832.post-88973101770182907972013-07-19T09:56:36.802-07:002013-07-19T09:56:36.802-07:00Thanks for the tips. If this worked back in the da...Thanks for the tips. If this worked back in the day, then it must work now!Back to Braceshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08240649681320273191noreply@blogger.com